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  • Jamie 10:44 am on February 17, 2013 Permalink  

    Team TrueSkill Ratings 

    There will be a longer, more complete blog post coming on the Planet Kubb blog about this soon. But, here is a sneak peek on the pitch.

    The Planet Kubb wiki now has 1,091 tournament matches in it and 357 teams. Holy crap right? Yeah. Special hat tip to @dobbie,  @chrishodges and @garrick for doing a ton of work entering match information.

    Well, there is more. I wrote a bot that walks through every match in date order (see the code) and calculates a TrueSkill rating (TrueSkill was developed by Microsoft for Xbox Live, it’s like a modern version of ELO rating system). Each team starts with a μ score of 25.

    So, who is the top ranked team in Planet Kubb? They have a μ score of 42.948. Hint: It’s not the Kubbchucks, we have a score of 28.205.

    See the top 50 active teams scores.

    Also, if you haven’t checked out the event pages, club pages and team pages in a while. You should, they are much better. Like I said, more to come, this is a sneak peek.

    Disclaimer: Both TrueSkill and ELO scores are based on a series of games played and the various skill levels of those matches. The TrueSkill value is recalculated weekly. As more matches from the past are added, these values will update and change to reflect the additional data. So, beware that these are dynamic and updating values.

    Oh, and if you haven’t tried the Group X-Ray, give it a try. You’ll want to go here immediately when tournament groups are declared in the future. :-)

     

     
  • Jamie 10:42 pm on September 13, 2012 Permalink
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    Social Groups are Remaking Culture, Featuring Kubb 

    My friend and Kubbchucks teammate Jim Bernard (@bricker) presents most years at the University of Iowa on Technology, Globalization and Culture. This year, @bricker made Kubb the starting topic of his talk! It’s great! Jim comes on at 3:50 and the Kubb segments goes to around 25:00.

    (This video can’t be embedded so you will need to click out to watch.)

    http://vimeopro.com/eloisu/tgc2012/video/49278867

    Video also highlights @garrick, @dobbie, @ringerjr, Eric A and others.

     
  • Jamie 8:10 pm on August 27, 2012 Permalink  

    What is this inkastare technique? 

    While reviewing the video from the BK Kubb 2012 this short cut caught my eye at 1:06.

    There is some interesting stuff going on there. Zoom in on it:

    I don’t think I saw this particular technique illustrated in @dobbie‘s video on Amazing Kubb Drilling Techniques. Perhaps this is the one I should work on more! :-)

     
  • Jamie 7:49 am on August 9, 2012 Permalink
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    Planet Kubb Game System Aggregated Player Stats 

    All along I’ve wanted to generate aggregated player statistics across multiple games and we finally have the first iteration of that working! Each game now tracks a limited set of individual player statistics and the player pages themselves aggregate all the game data and show it in aggregate. From this we can look at @dobbie‘s player page and see he has a cumulative 72% baton hit ratio. He’s thrown 289 kubbs in the games on the wiki with 33 rethrows. We can look at @ringerjr‘s player page and see his baton percentage is 52.2% with 51 kubbs thrown and 2 rethrows.

    Want to see the top 10 most accurate baton throwers in the Planet Kubb Game System?

    Baton hit Baton miss Baton hit percent
    Dave Ellringer 39 9 81.3
    Chad Parsons 34 9 79.1
    Mark Blazel 61 22 73.5
    Josh Feathers 126 49 72
    Chris Hodges 18 9 66.7
    Mark Blezel 8 4 66.7
    Grant Scott 17 9 65.4
    Cole Vryens 53 28 65.4
    Zach Brown 45 25 64.3
    Chad Bevers 27 17 61.4
     
    • Dano 10:30 am on August 9, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Is there a way to separate field kubb hits from base kubb hits. It looks like the first blasters have a higher percentage which makes sense.

      • ringerjr 1:51 pm on August 9, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        This is awesome. Like to see my pop on top, even if it is for just a few games!

      • Dobbie 10:11 am on August 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Add Mark Blazel and Mark Blezel together. Hopefully I just above him. HAHAHA

        • Chris Hodges 10:42 am on August 10, 2012 Permalink

          Mark Blazel 69 26 72.6
          Josh Feathers 127 49 72.2

          Sorry!

    • Chad B 9:48 pm on August 9, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Very cool.

    • Eric 7:07 am on August 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      OK, this thing works. I don’t want to rain on a parade here. Although I think this system is pretty cool, I wonder what it all means and what are we trying to do and show? This is just a small percentage of games/matches that people have played. Not that it matters at all to me, and we are a dozen kubb freaks tossing stats out at each other, but I think it is pretty misleading. Take Josh F. and Mark B. JF has 175 throws. Mark has 12. JF has throws from a friendly? You should have seen Team Kubboom yesterday morning at 5am at our friendly at Aaron’s house. They were tossing 50 percent from eight meters. If we had videoed that and posted it on YouTube, would that make the stats? Another thing is the whole blaster, clean-up, 8-meter positions. Obviously Dave is good, but it is very misleading to have him be first and Aaron not even on that list? Heck, where is Eric Goplin? Did he stop playing kubb? I guess that goes back to my original question, what are we trying to do with these numbers. Some people have 12 games on their page, some have two or three.

      Another question, what does rethrows for an inkastare mean? I bet there were players at the US Championship that never had a rethrow, or very, very seldom, but they were spread out all over creation. Each individual inkast means something. I am not sure a rethrow percentage means much.

      Again, I don’t want to rain on parades here. I think it is cool to see what a persons percent was for an individual game or maybe a match, especially if I am able to watch it live or on video. I am just not sure putting them all together and rating people with so many different variables (can you compate hit rates from Loppet to Rockford?, # players on a team, when you throw, round in a tournament, who your inkastare is, etc) says a whole lot.

      • Eric 8:11 pm on August 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        I like the phrase “rain on a tournament”, instead of “rain on a parade”, I guess.

        Perhaps I did not say it the correct way before, and I am not sure which page I should be typing this, but I will just stick with this one, instead of both. I think it comes down to the question of what are we trying to show?

        First, I really appreciate everything that everyone is doing.On my end, I have to be honest with myself and realize that I will not have time to enter information, data, etc. Back to the questions at hand, I just look at some statistics as not reality, so I have another analogy, and I guess it comes from my real job. If I am working with a community and we do a community survey, what is needed to be statistically accurate? If we get a return rate of 5%, that is not going to do a whole lot. I guess that is the case for everything. It seems like we are comparing apples and oranges, or we don’t have enough apples, etc. If a person/team plays in the semifinal of a tournament and is videotaped and the other semifinal match is not (say U.S. Championship), I think it is difficult to compare data of say Team Knockerheads and Kubbsicles. In addition, if someone is playing in the U.S. Semifinal, that was their 8th match of the tournament. Taking video of two (or even one) matches of nine, that is really not very accurate. I am not sure what any solution is with this, and perhaps it all comes down to the fact that some people will have a lot more videos than others and we just all accept that this is what we have and we cannot improve on it. ( Where is the video of Sweden’s Sons game against Los Padres in Minneapolis this year? I WANT those stats on there. There is no video, so the person that went something like 9 or 11 at eight meters is not on there. I obviously am joking on the “want” to have it on there, but these are the things that throw it for a loop) I guess it goes back to a simple question and that is, what are we trying to show? If the answer is percentages based on the very limited amount of data we have, then we are hitting it.

        Has anyone seen what they are doing in Switzerland?

        http://www.kubbmaister.ch/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=84

        I am really hoping to do an article in Kubbnation Magazine about them and PK this next year. I am very curious how they do it, how it works, etc.and how we are moving forward, etc.

        The one big thing that I am curious about is this. Do they get overly competitive with this (will we with ours?). Will some not show up at tournaments “just to have fun”, will this limit three-person teams, etc. Again, there are not a whole lot of people looking at this, but this game is going to keep growing, right? What is the future? Myself, I don’t think much will change at tournaments, as it is pretty competitive now and worrying about your hit rate, is the least of ones worries.

        Again, a HUGE thanks to everyone working on this. It is amazing and wonderful to have people working on these things. Please do not take anything that I am saying that I do not appreciate it and/or that I am saying that you are doing things correct.

        • Jamie 8:18 pm on August 10, 2012 Permalink

          I don’t see video as being totally needed. My hope is that people will just print out some scoresheets and that some spectators will find it fun to score the games. Just like some people do at baseball games. I found that I enjoyed watching the games better when I scored them. I don’t think we’ll have that many recorded games really. But we could have a lot of scored games.

          A number of the games there now are video games because we created the data to test the system and make sure things work. The US Nationals games have little to no video except the ones that Knockerheads are in. But they all had scoresheets.

      • Jamie 8:14 pm on August 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Note the example of Josh F. and Mark B. wasn’t correct data. The Mark B. that had 12 throws was a misspell of his last name. Using the corrected data Mark B. has 95 throws at 72.6% and Josh F. has 176 throws at 72.2%. Mark B. has 10 games and Josh F has 12, which includes 1 friendly (that actually brings his ratings down). I agree friendlies should likely have the box unchecked for including in all stats.

        Also Goplin is #11 on that list, right after Chad B.

        I think given that this data has never existed before, we’ll need time to figure out what to do with it. And the reality is that there are not even close to enough games in the system to generate high quality stats yet. At this point I’ve just got all the code working for data to flow from games to players and teams. To see what this could look like.

    • Eric 7:14 am on August 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      OK, I am on a roll this morning. If this thing is going to be used, are we going to load the stats from all the videos we have? I know the Dallas Oktoberfst Final and Loppet semifinal are out there two. I don’t see Paul Mullen on this list. Plus, Eric and Coles percentages will for sure go up after Game 1 of Dallas, Now, we lost both of those matches, but I was wondering if/when stats from those will be listed. Who enters stats for what?

      • Dobbie 10:09 am on August 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        I agree, the stats system needs “in scope” and “out of scope” games. I suggest taking out friendlies from the stats, and games that are in a tournament setting are good to go. It would be neat to filter just US Nationals games. A quarterfinal game at Nationals could have more “butterflies” than a final game in another tournament.

        I think rethrow count (or percent) shows the “aggressiveness” of an inkastare as they attack the corner. I personally like it.

        And I think if we say only tournament matches go into stats, that may help with some of the concern.

        Secondly, I would love to add as many tournament matches that is out on Youtube. Anyone can add them, and I just haven’t had time yet. Eric A. can add them, but I know that guy is busy too. But it’s fair to say that these stats are not “complete” just yet, and more tournament games need to be added.

        I can’t wait for tournament games from Europe start going in. I want to match my stats with the best in the world to get some perspective.

        • Chris Hodges 10:32 am on August 10, 2012 Permalink

          Agreed on the “in/out of scope” concept. Dobbie & I had actually discussed whether or not to add DMK Ranked Ladder matches and I counseled against it. I don’t want us to become a stat generating machine and flood the results here with our games – Planet Kubb stats should (at least in my opinion) be about championship caliber Kubb, not necessarily about any one player or club.

          With that in mind, I’d like to suggest that we limit these aggregated stats to:

          1) Quarterfinal matches or later at the National Championship
          2) Semifinal matches or later at other tournaments
          3) Matches where video is online so accuracy of the stats can be independently verified

          …on the other hand, perhaps a huge amount of data is a good thing and we SHOULD be recording every possible match? If so, I think we should include an indicator flag to filter on for when we just want to examine the nature of these high-level games.

          @Eric – The 2011 Dallas Finals are up, but they aren’t broken down to the player level, mostly because I couldn’t remember the name of the 3rd member of Dead Rabbits (sorry!)

          http://wiki.planetkubb.com/wiki/2011_Dallas_Oktoberfest_Final_Game_1

          Once we get that piece and build those player pages then the stats should be aggregated in the above stats.

        • Garrick 11:32 am on August 10, 2012 Permalink

          I’m inclined to include any match that’s within a tournament atmosphere – otherwise I don’t think we’ll get the quantity of stats needed for this to be most useful.

          Also – note, the Game Form does have a ‘Include in statistics’ checkbox. This supports the DMK Ladder games and friendlies being documented for the purposes of record keeping & personal improvement without impacting the tournament-level stats.

        • Chris Hodges 11:39 am on August 10, 2012 Permalink

          Do you think there would be value in grouping them by “Non-Tournament/Early Tournament/Late Tournament”?

          On the one hand I think the more data we collect the better, on the other I think there is a compelling reason to set the elite games aside and view them independently.

        • Jamie 11:43 am on August 10, 2012 Permalink

          There is a field already in the game system for this:

          Include in statistics: Include this game in overall calculation of player and team playing statistics.

          The code isn’t looking at it yet, but that is specifically for this purpose — put a game that you just want to record for personal purposes (team practice?) but not have it roll up into cumulative statistics.

        • Chris Hodges 11:49 am on August 10, 2012 Permalink

          I noticed that in there, but wasn’t sure of the exact functionality. Do you think it woulod be feasible to change that from “include yes/no” to “include in group A/B/C”?

          I think there is still value in aggregating casual games (and presumably over time this would be the largest of the groups and therefore give us our largest sample size), but I think we would want to look at them seperately. Right?

        • Garrick 1:27 pm on August 10, 2012 Permalink

          Chris, I like where that’s going, and I can see a tweak that will allow us to do this as well as make it easy to aggregate the stats for a other types of play e.g. the stats for all the DMK Ladder matches.

        • Eric 7:37 pm on August 10, 2012 Permalink

          David Smith – usually plays for Amateur Hour – Chippewa Falls.
          Not that he does not want his scores on there, but have we thought about if everyone wants all/some of their information on this?

        • Jamie 8:09 pm on August 10, 2012 Permalink

          By the way, the filtering for “just US Nationals games” is why the games have an Event property, to do just that. That can then be a filter that affects whatever other queries are being performed.

    • Dobbie 9:35 am on August 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      You don’t want to separate field from base necessarily, but 8 meter shots vs. less than 8 meter shots. This really gives you a good story on blasting percentage vs. sniping.

  • Jamie 9:36 am on August 4, 2012 Permalink
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    Improvements to Planet Kubb Wiki Game System 

    (I originally posted this to the Kubb Nerds mailing list but I decided it was enough of an update I should share it more broadly on Pitch.)

    I made a number of big changes to the game mechanics on the Planet Kubb Wiki last night/this morning.

    Notably, the game templates now honor the new inkastare features of the notation, and do not honor the old. Any games that have the old notation may be wonky.

    Check out US Nationals 2012, Finals, Knockerheads v. Kubbsicles, July 15 (Game 1).

    Note that I refactored the display table so it now shows the potential for three inkastares… It’s not ideal to show it all the time, I’ll deal with that later.

    Most importantly, note the game stats. That’s right, not just batons anymore, now Kubbs too!

    Game Stats

    The system is now counting kubbs thrown, rethrows, etc. This is also true for players, here is @dobbie:

    baton_hit: 11
    baton_hit_base: 10
    last_baton: miss
    hot_streak: 2
    baton_miss: 5
    baton_miss_base: 4
    cold_streak: 1
    kubb_count: 43
    cold_streak_max: 2
    multifield_2: 3
    hot_streak_max: 6
    kubb_rethrow: 7
    multifield_4: 1
    multifield_3: 1
    kubb_penalty: 1
    multifield_6: 1
    baton_hit_advantage: 1
    baton_miss_advantage: 1

    So @dobbie threw 43 kubbs in the game (versus 16 batons!), with 7 rethrows (16% rethrows) and 1 penalty. (aggregating penalty kubb stats and missed king shots is going to be really cool)

    Note also the new multifield values (open to a better name, maybe group?). So @dobbie hit 3 doubles, 1 triple, 1 quad and 1 amazing “six”. Now I simply need to be able to aggregate a subset of these stats across games into @dobbie‘s player page.

    So the magic is that I’m finally parsing the Notation modifiers in the code. Before it was pretty brain dead, but now the system actually knows the full meaning of “4f2b” or “7i3r2p”. Coming soon I’ll be able to get the game state mechanics working (so that the scoring system knows the state of the pitch at all times). This will also allow the calculation of a baton missing a field or baseline.

    I also for the first time have set some game properties… This is where things get really cool. Ready for it? I’m only setting a few basic stats for the games right now, but…

    Let’s say I want to see all games sorted by baton hit percent? Simple!

    That URL is nasty, here is a sample of the output limiting to 10 games (note that Kubbits v Ringers game isn’t using the new inkastare notation, hence the blanks):

    Statistic baton count Statistic baton hit percent Statistic kubb count Statistic kubb rethrow percent
    US Nationals 2011, Knockerheads v. Kubbsicles, July 9 2011 (Game 2) 66 77.3 62 21
    2012 Madison Midsommar Kubb Tournament Final (Game 1) 47 76.6 48 2
    Twin Cities Winter Tournament 2012 Final Game 1 78 70.5 76 3
    US Nationals 2012, Quarterfinals, Kubbits v. The Ringers, July 15 (Game 2) 96 69.8
    US Nationals 2012, Quarterfinals, Kubb’d v. Kubbsicles, July 15 (Game 1) 96 67.7 79 3
    Rockford 2012 Championship Head Slap v. Tad Kubbler (Game 1) 48 66.7 33 3
    US Nationals 2012, Finals, Knockerheads v. Kubbsicles, July 15 (Game 2) 77 66.2 58 10
    2011 Dallas Oktoberfest Final Game 2 72 65.3 54 7
    Nordic Fest Kubb Tournament 2012 Finals Game 3 40 65 27 7
    US Nationals 2011, Knockerheads v. Kubbsicles, July 9 2011 (Game 1) 48 64.6 36 6

    HAWT! :-)

     
    • Dano 10:57 am on August 4, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      That’s awesome. Makes me curious about what your day job is. Thanks for all your hard work. Dano

  • Jamie 7:44 am on July 13, 2012 Permalink  

    Everyone else is having this for breakfast today and tomorrow right? I hear @dobbie puts dirt in his for added drilling fu.

     
  • Jamie 11:32 pm on July 11, 2012 Permalink
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    The game sheets on the Planet Kubb Wiki now have a couple of graphs as a test of feasibility. Coming along nicely! Here is a game that @chrishodges put in tonight!

    2012 Madison Midsommar Kubb Tournament Final Game Three

     
    • Jamie 11:46 pm on July 11, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Also worth noting is a new statistic in the scoring system, “cold_streak_max” and “hot_streak_max”. These are the maximum number of times you missed or hit (respectively) on baton throws. For example, you can see how in this game with @garrick, @dobbie and Jaime I missed 9 in a row! Ouch! And then look at game 1 in Rockford Championship where @dobbie hits 8 in a row.

      • Dobbie 12:00 am on July 12, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Interesting statistic. If you are hot, why not throw all 3 in a row? “Feathers Style” is something Steve F. came up with. You first identify the “hot short” (who is hitting short). They go first until they miss. Then the other player goes until they miss. Repeat. After the round, identify if the hot short is still the same person.

      • Dobbie 12:16 am on July 12, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Digging the pie charts. One thing that I feel really shares the story of the game is the percentage hit rate by Field (F) and Baseline (B). Perhaps a bar chart? Just a thought.

      • Chad B 9:19 am on July 12, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        The pie charts are cool. Love the stats!

    • Chad2 10:14 pm on July 12, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      When will the kubb scoresheet app be out for my Android phone?

      • Jamie 10:19 pm on July 12, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Significant discussion has already been had on an HTML5 “offline” web application that will run on a variety of mobile devices to accommodate scoring on the pitch. It can then either email the score markup to be put on the wiki or directly use the API for the Planet Kubb Wiki to put the game on there.

        Step 2 would be to put each turn on the wiki as it happens. Or maybe we do that out of the gate. It will happen. :-)

  • Jamie 6:44 pm on June 28, 2012 Permalink
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    Open Thread for US Nationals Team Draw 

    The video will stream live on USTREAM at 7:00pm CT. Join on this post for an open thread discussion as it happens.

     
  • Chad B 7:38 am on June 17, 2012 Permalink  

    Love this forum setting. Great job

     
  • Jamie 7:25 am on June 17, 2012 Permalink
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    Planet Kubb Tournaments Updated 

    I made some changes to the tournaments (events) on the Planet Kubb Wiki.

    • Events now have a full date and time for start and end. Before they just had a date. Thanks for the suggestion @dobbie! (see change)
    • Events no longer require a contact name. Most of the entries were being created with “Unknown”. (see change)
    • Events have a “Created date” that is automatically put in by the wiki. (see change)

    The last item allows Semantic MediaWiki to provide RSS feeds of events by when they were created (as opposed to edited, which changes). Using this RSS feed I’m now syndicating confirmed Tournaments to the main Planet Kubb feed!

     
  • Jamie 9:35 pm on June 15, 2012 Permalink
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    Planet Kubb on Open Loop #1 

    Listen to @garrick and I talk about Kubb, Planet Kubb and the origin of this site on Open Loop #1. Skip to 23 minutes to jump right to the Kubb discussion.

    @dobbie, @chad-b and Eric G. mentioned.

     
  • Jamie 9:15 pm on June 15, 2012 Permalink
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    Fathers Day Kubb Tournaments 

    I would like to suggest that clubs coordinate Father’s Day Kubb Tournaments. It would be a great thing to do on Dad’s day!

     
  • Dobbie 12:25 pm on June 14, 2012 Permalink
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    Looking for content for Des Moines Kubb blog. Any interest in doing a small story for DMK?

     
  • Jamie 7:39 am on June 14, 2012 Permalink
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    Intro for Planet Kubb Pitch 

    I have been trying to put together a short, Twitter compatible 100-character or so intro for Planet Kubb Pitch. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Reply here with them.

     
  • Jamie 3:17 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink
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    Open Thread (June 10, 9:00pm CT) 

    Come to this post at 9:00pm Sunday, June 10th for an open thread conversation. This is a bit of an experiment to see how this site will work for this type of thing. Nobody knows what will happen! :-)

    Getting ready?

    You don’t have to register an account here to participate but it would be a good idea. Go to the registration page and create your account. If you have one, you can go straight to the login page.

    How to talk?

    Just tap Reply on this post and start typing. Whatever you click Reply on is where your message will appear. You can also use the snazzy Like link to indicate something you are digging.

     
    • Jamie 9:03 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Man I wish I could get a blog/RSS feed out of http://wisconsinkubb.com/. I really would like that content in Planet Kubb.

      • Dobbie 9:05 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Perhaps at usakubb he could mirror the updates or something.

      • Jamie 9:05 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        The challenge is that both of those sites are pretty handmade. No WordPress or other CMS.

      • Jamie 9:07 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        By the way, if you post something on Pitch and give it the tag “Planet Kubb” it will show up on the main Planet Kubb “planet feed”, and on Twitter and Facebook.

        • Dobbie 9:08 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          Interesting about tagging the planet I think usakubb may have a “blog” template. Dunno?

    • Jamie 9:09 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      So, does this work? I’ve never tried to do a real-time conversation in a blog thread. P2 makes it nice with instant notification of new things.

      • Jamie 9:10 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Skype or IRC would be a true realtime option, but this is really easy.

      • Dobbie 9:12 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        It has the benefit of logging the conversation for all posterity, and it’s easy to understand two separate conversations about different points.

      • Jamie 9:12 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Yeah. It’s almost like working in Google Wave (RIP). :-)

        • Jamie 9:20 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          Yeah, this feels a lot like Wave. It would actually work really well for collaboratively brainstorming some topic. :-)

        • Dobbie 9:43 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          Agreed! We need to setup a monthly Pitch Session. Helps the overall mantra of Nationals regarding Unity.

        • Dobbie 9:44 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          Get it? Bitch session?

      • Jamie 9:13 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        I also like that every single comment has a permalink URL.

      • Jamie 9:27 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Would be nice to be able to collapse old threads so they don’t clutter up the screen.

    • Jamie 9:11 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      @dobbie I assume Steve Feathers is a relative of yours. Brother?

    • Garrick 9:14 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      @dobbie – where’s your preferred location for penalty kubbs?

      • Dobbie 9:16 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        depends on how many I think the opponents will use, but my favorite position is right on the centerline, one baton length from the pin furthest from the group.

        • Garrick 9:17 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          interesting. consistent with my thinking that penalty placement is ultimately about the advantage line

        • Jamie 9:23 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          That seems unlikely that it would ever really result in an advantage line though.

        • Garrick 9:24 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          so – it still has to make the inkasting a more attractive target.

        • Dobbie 9:27 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          In this case, if the punishment Kubb stayed up and another round was played, you would have to consider going long side. Agree.

        • Dobbie 9:26 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          It works in many ranked games we play in DM, but that is 1v1 and not tourney play. I will do it when I think there’s a chance. It would also get in my head if the opponent put a penalty on the line. I’d be all like “they don’t even think we can hit a 4 meter shot” hahaha

      • Jamie 9:16 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Curious to hear. @garrick and I were talking about this today and had talked about it with Eric Goplin before as well.

        • Dobbie 9:19 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          I used that strat on Eric G in Rockford. I don’t think it worked.

        • Jamie 9:21 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          Didn’t you beat them?

        • Dobbie 9:23 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          We didn’t beat them….they lost to us. They should have taken us out. They played better, but Kubb is weird and sometimes you win a game you should have lost.

        • Jamie 9:24 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          We played a friendly with him a couple days after and he was still cursing some of his play. :-)

      • ringerjr 9:19 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        My preferred location depends entirely on the situation. I learned some tricks from Dobbie in Rockford. I liked his placement for us. It was way on the left line, a foot or two back from the centerline. I think he thought we might not have a baton left after a crummy inkastare by your truly…

        • Dobbie 9:22 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          Now now….your groups rocked. I do like putting them in a bit to reduce the chance of a successful rescue if I feel the other team will throw again.

        • ringerjr 9:24 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          I think penalty kubbs are also about making the other team waste a baton with no chance of a double. Force them to reposition. You can also mess with people by being random.

        • Jamie 9:24 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          That is a really good point. I hadn’t considered the expense of a baton to take it out.

        • Dobbie 9:28 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          I heard someone say it best at Nationals – “you gotta keep those batons occupied”

        • Jamie 9:30 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          That should get a quote on Planet Kubb Wiki. Maybe we should have a page for great Kubb Quotes. :-)

        • Dobbie 9:36 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          I was a fan of Gretzsky, and I always (in jest) try to think of quotes that are like his “you miss 100 percent of the shots you don’t take” so I could probably contribute a dozen or so….

        • Jamie 9:38 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

        • Dobbie 9:41 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          Now I have something to do at work tomorrow. Haha!

    • Jamie 9:14 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      A new person registered on Ask Planet Kubb and Pitch today, ringerjr. Sounds like a DMK guy.

    • Garrick 9:21 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      @ringerjr, @dobbie, either of you gone on past Nationals?

    • Jamie 9:29 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      @garrick and I were debating today while recording our podcast if the 8m throw is more or less important than drilling. I think it’s the 8m throw. Thoughts? What do you practice more?

      • Dobbie 9:31 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        I think drilling. I Try to throw 100 kubbs every 3 days. I only “practice” 8 meter shots when playing friendlies.

        • Dobbie 9:33 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          Consider that in a 3 game match you only have 15 8 meter targets and potentially 100’s of less than 8 meter targets.

        • Jamie 9:34 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          It shows. The videos I’ve seen of your drilling are pretty crazy good.

        • Garrick 9:35 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          @dobbie – how are you setting up the video to shoot the dmk games?

        • Dobbie 9:38 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          Right now I’m iPad’ing the ranked games, stopping/starting during phases. An hour game gets cut to 1/3 of the time. I have an iPad tripod thingy as well.

        • Jamie 9:40 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          Do you edit it right on your iPad to using iMovie?

        • Dobbie 9:40 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          Yes. Takes about 20 minutes now that I am used to it.

        • Garrick 9:40 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          iPad tripod thingy – that explains it.

      • ringerjr 9:32 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Both important! I think a 9 m throw is most important for me right now. Drilling mistakes are huge in competition play, as are short game misses.

        • ringerjr 9:35 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          One aspect that played out for our team in Madison this weekend: We practiced as a team for particular positions and I found that I needed to be more flexible as a player. I only have so much time to practice. Does nailing down my baseline throw come at the expense of practicing other throws? You bet.

        • Jamie 9:37 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          I think this is a pretty big deal. Over specialization could really come to bite you. A 6-person all around is the way to be.

        • Dobbie 9:40 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          Great write up by Eric on 2 vs 3 player teams. Made me think of a question….how many long game vs short game specialists is ideal for 3 player? What about 6 player?

        • Jamie 9:41 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          You have link to this writeup? I didn’t see this.

        • Dobbie 9:42 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

        • Jamie 9:43 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          Thanks. I’m going to see if I can get that on Planet Kubb by posting a link update for it here.

        • ringerjr 9:47 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          Everyone has to be good. Miss a short one and you’re in trouble. Only get short ones and miss the baseline and you’re in trouble. The inkastare makes the difference in most games now. Then it’s short mistakes or amazing baseline work that seals the win.

      • Garrick 9:34 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        right now, my 8m is my most inconsistent. And with my fondness for the short game – I’d like to make that stronger.

    • Jamie 9:42 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Is there a specific time yet for the brackets for nationals to be sent out?

      • ringerjr 9:44 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        In a few Thursdays it will be live webcasted from the Lazy Monk Taproom here in Eau Claire.

        • Jamie 9:45 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          Awesome. I can’t wait. We’ll definitely have a thread open for that.

        • Dobbie 9:45 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          What do you think, Mr Ringer of having this going during that? You think folks will enjoy it?

    • Jamie 9:45 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Feedback on how this worked out? I’m going to be calling it a night shortly. You guys can keep going as long as you wish of course.

      • Jamie 9:47 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        (Talking to myself, but my notes.)

        • It’s harder to keep up with fast, short things. Slightly longer messages over more frequent messages are probably preferred.
        • Like that everything has URLs and that you can even put some HTML into messages.
        • Really fun to connect in pseudo-realtime with people.
      • Garrick 9:47 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        navigating multiple threads with multiple updates gets a little crazy.

      • ringerjr 9:48 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        I love chatting with folks. The layout is a bit clumsy to navigate back and forth but it is fully functional. Not sure I need it “recorded” for the world to see…

        • Dobbie 9:49 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          Yeah, most of the comments would be just fine if they melted away in the ether. Perhaps there is a “purge” button Jamie can push for coordinated sessions.

      • Dobbie 9:48 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Worked well. Relying on replies gets to a point where theres not much space, but that may be a display iPad issue. Live comment updates is fancy. Agree that it reminds me of google wave. I may try this for another project. Thanks for putting this up.

      • ringerjr 9:49 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        thanks!

      • Jamie 9:49 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Great feedback. Keep having fun with Pitch and just post whatever you wish. The idea is to have this be a water cooler for Kubb players.

        • Garrick 9:50 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          thanks jamie. overall – this worked out brilliantly.

        • Dobbie 9:51 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          I want to say a big Thank You to everyone that has made Planet Kubb what it is today. Many have tried to put together a online community for the game, and this is the only successful attempt to date. Thanks for all the late night, coding, and hard work in front of the radiating glow of a monitor!

        • Jamie 9:52 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          Much appreciated @dobbie. I see you regularly adding to Planet Kubb Wiki too, and thanks for that. The goal here is to make something that the whole Kubb community sees as theirs! Just keep pushing it along.

        • Jamie 9:53 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          I would really, really like to make a tournament schedule widget that people can put on their sites powered by the Planet Kubb Wiki. That way everyone has the right and current info without duplicating it all. The wiki needs a lot of polish though. That will come with time.

        • Dobbie 9:54 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          And a more larger project is getting the minds of Kubb together to clean up and add to Wikipedia.org.

        • Jamie 9:56 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          I see you there regularly. I’m also surprised by the continuous (but small) flow of traffic that comes to Planet Kubb from Wikipedia.

        • Dobbie 9:58 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          Consistent, yes, And smallish. But every click helps spread the fun of the game.

        • Jamie 9:54 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          Also @dobbie, as a tournament organizer (which I’m not!) I would love to know if you think there are fields on the events form that are needed and not there, or problems with how information is recorded (like should it have date and time, instead of just date? Should team size be a field?)

        • Dobbie 9:55 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          Action item taken!

    • Jamie 9:50 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Do you think that Planet Kubb Pitch and Ask Planet Kubb will cause confusion? People not knowing when to use which? Any suggestions you have on this would be appreciatated.

      • Garrick 9:51 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        if more of pitch looks like this – I think there won’t be much confusion.

      • Dobbie 9:53 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Moderation will be needed, but I see the biggest issue is folks asking questions in Pitch (which isn’t a misuse necessarily). Any great questions could be transferred to ask easily enough.

    • Garrick 9:54 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Awesome. I’m calling it a night. Later all.

    • Bricker 9:56 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Night GVB

      • Jamie 9:57 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Bricker showing up right at the end! Hey there!

        • Bricker 9:59 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          Everything great happens at the end. Just catching up.

        • Jamie 10:00 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          Register yourself an account so you can easily post and get email updates. Link in the right hand sidebar.

        • Bricker 10:06 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          Tried but pw fail. Going to go to bed instead.

      • Jamie 9:58 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Bricker is another Kubbchuck everyone.

        • Dobbie 10:03 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          Right on! Let me know what I can do to get The Kubbchucks to represent in Des Moines’ Fall Tourney!

        • Bricker 10:06 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          Book it! I’m from Iowa and ready to play!

        • Jamie 10:07 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          Get Jim Sr. to play with us?

        • Bricker 10:08 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          Hes a ringer!

        • Jamie 10:08 pm on June 10, 2012 Permalink

          I’ve heard the Klassic is brutal. Not for the feint of heart!

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