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  • Jamie 8:31 pm on September 26, 2012 Permalink
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    Ask Planet Kubb Improvements (Sep 2012) 

    The open source software behind Ask Planet Kubb is Question2Answer and a new version came out today. I just upgraded Ask Planet Kubb to this new version (1.5.2 to 1.5.3). Most notably it has a much nicer theme that I’ve moved the site too. Much cleaner looking. I also updated the Polls plugin (1.5 to 2.1) and the Embed plugin (1.2 to 1.3). If you see anything wrong on the site leave a comment here.

    I also enabled Recaptcha on Ask Planet Kubb. There were over fifty accounts created by spammers, most never used for that intent but I really don’t think that many people with Russian email addresses were registering. To keep things clean, I enabled Recaptcha. I also enabled Recaptcha for anonymous users. You can still ask a question on Ask Planet Kubb without registering.

    Lastly, because we’ve had a couple of incidences of spam, I added yet another gate of moderation. For any account that has less than 150 points (you start with 100 and get points for activity) those posts, comments and answers will require moderation. This should alleviate any further questions about cheap health insurance. Ugh!

    Have a great day! Kubb on!

     
    • ringerjr 9:43 pm on September 26, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I like the changes and extra spam filters are a good idea, hope they don’t eat much of your time!

      • Jamie 9:13 pm on September 27, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Thanks Aaron. I don’t think the moderation will take more than a minute or so every few days. Once a person has over 150 points there is no moderation so it’s just for a short period of a new user.

  • Jamie 10:18 pm on July 28, 2012 Permalink
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    Kubb Nerds mailing list 

    A number of folks have been working on Kubb scoresheets and statistics systems. We’ve been doing a ton of stuff on the Planet Kubb Wiki with notation, scoresheet and storing games for analysis.

    To help facilitate discussion between people that are digging into this nerdy side of Kubb, Kubb Nerds shall we say, I created a mailing list on Google Groups.

    If you are interested in being part of the discussion around these topics go to the Kubb Nerds group and signup. I’m not sure how much email this will generate, but you can always ditch it if you don’t find it interesting.

     
  • Jamie 10:28 pm on July 8, 2012 Permalink
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    Planet Kubb Scoring System (Beta) 

    Most sports have scores and many even have a box score that shows the progression of the game. Baseball fans can look at a box score from a game and relive the game just looking at a series of numbers. We’ve been wanting to be able to do the same thing for Kubb for a long time but there wasn’t any standard system for recording a game. No standard notation system. This topic has been discussed here on Planet Kubb before and my goal was to get something that had a number of features:

    1. An easy notation system using nothing but standard text.
    2. The notation should be scalable so it works for games tracking player by player details, or simple for games with less detail.
    3. Envision something that could be sent over Twitter so people could virtually watch a game turn by turn, tweet by tweet.
    4. It should be language neutral so Kubb games can easily be shared globally.

    I think we’ve got that now, and then some!

    This weekend I slapped together three things: some clarification on the Planet Kubb Notation system, a Planet Kubb Scoresheet to use on the Pitch and the Planet Kubb Wiki can store these games and calculate statistics off of the games.

    Notation

    2f/f/-/b/-/b

    That string is a teams turn in a Kubb game. What happened? The first throw hit 2 field kubbs. The second hit a single field kubb. The third baton missed. Fourth hit a baseline kubb. Fifth missed. Sixth hit another baseline kubb.

    We can extend this further.

    jamie:2f/jamie:f/garrick:-/garrick:b/jamie:-/garrick:b

    That is the same series of throws, but here the players name has been added in front of the action so we can generate player by player statistics. You can also see we threw this turn “Chad style“, each throwing 2 batons and reserving a final baton each for the end.

    Those names are a bit long to type over and over though, so in real use we would use an initial.

    j:2f/j:f/g:-/g:b/j:-/g:b

    The notation system proposed here is very simple. The player notation is entirely optional. There are only a few symbols used. It’s very fast!

    The Planet Kubb Notation wiki page has more details. There is even a regular expression pattern there that you could use in your own code to read these.

    Scoresheet

    At some point it would be great to score the game in realtime on your iPhone, and we’ll get there! For now, a peice of paper and a clipboard is probably the best option.

    We’ve got a couple of concepts for the scoresheet up to play with on the Scoresheet page of the Planet Kubb Wiki. Let your thoughts be known with what you like and don’t like.

    The scoresheet allows for some additional data that the notation system doesn’t handle, notably the Kubb drilling locations. The scoresheet has a miniature picture of the pitch and you can put a dot where the Kubbs land.

    Game Statistics and Storage

    If you have a game scoresheet you want to share it with everyone right? Even better, it would be great to know the statistics from the game. The Planet Kubb Wiki right now has a form that will allow anyone with an account to put a game into the wiki and it will then calculate statistics from the game as well as give a place to forever remember the game.

    To really test this I used the video of the championship match at the 2012 Rockford Tournament. The match was between Tad Kubbler (Minneapolis) and Pitch Slap (Des Moines). You may know who won the match, but forget that for a moment and go relive the games. Click on each link below to see the scoresheet and statistics for each game.

    1. Rockford 2012 Championship Head Slap v. Tad Kubbler (Game 1)
    2. Rockford 2012 Championship Head Slap v. Tad Kubbler (Game 2)
    3. Rockford 2012 Championship Head Slap v. Tad Kubbler (Game 3)

    I scored these games in realtime using the videos which had all the empty space cut out. This proved that the scoring system was definitely fast enough to score a game as it happens. The form on the wiki can handle an unlimited number of turns, they can be added as long as the game goes. The Planet Kubb Wiki is currently only calculating some very basic statistics for each game, mostly around batons thrown, hits and misses, advantage lines and baseline kubbs.

    Putting these three games into the system was interesting. I was curious if the (primitive) statistics being calculated now would be interesting and they were!

    • Match 1 and 2 the teams hit kubbs 2 out of 3 throws. In match 3 the ratio drops to 1 in 2 throws.
    • In Match 1 Dobbie carries Pitch Slap through the game with Tony not hitting well. In Match 3 the roles flip and Tony carries Dobbie through the game.
    • Eric’s missed King shot (=) in turn 9 of match 2 is a heartbreaker!
    • Josh (Dobbie) has a masterful drill followed by a “d:6f” in Turn 14 of Match 2.

    The page for each of these games dumps all of it’s calculated data points raw. This is still very rough.

    All of this work is licensed (like all Planet Kubb content) under Creative Commons BY-SA. Please share your feedback and we can all make this even more awesome!

    It would be great to use these scoresheets on a number of games at Nationals this weekend!

    I really want to hear from you all and what you think about this? What looks odd? What stats for games would you like to see? What do you think of the scoresheets? Does the notation make sense? What do you think?

     
    • Garrick 6:23 am on July 9, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      great work.

    • Jamie 7:17 am on July 9, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      If you want to try putting a game into the Wiki right now it’s easy, just make sure you are logged into the wiki and go to the game form. Put in a unique title for the game, something like “Kubb Friendly, Garrick v. Jamie, July 4 2012 (Game 1)”. All games must have a unique title.

      The form is pretty easy to use, just add turns as you need.

    • Chad B 8:37 am on July 9, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Hey Jamie, Chad and I were talking about a score sheet just the other day. We said we should bring something with us to the Nationals. People would start wondering what we were doing after our throws. Great forms Jamie!!! Awesome work my friend

      • Jamie 11:06 pm on July 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        That’s awesome Chad. Check out the big revision to both the scoresheet and the notation system that was posted tonight. I think this is really solid now.

    • THansenite 9:04 am on July 9, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I actually developed a game tracking sheet last winter for keeping stats on games. The v2 sheet only accounts for a one on one match and I was tweaking it for team play in v3. Here is the tracking sheet if you are interested: https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B5FuVACCN0-vbHQ2djFvaDBxekE

      I also have a spreadsheet I built as a proof-of-concept for a complete stat tracking program for a college class I was taking. Using only kubb hits and kubbs thrown, it could tell you at any given point in the game how many kubbs were sanding on each baseline, in the field, and current percentages for all shots. A few of the DM people have seen the program that I named KITE (Kubb Interactive Tracking Engine).

    • John Pederson 9:54 pm on July 9, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      This is why I love this game.

    • Chris Hodges 10:31 pm on July 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Can we get a link to the game form (and recorded games) on the left side of the wiki? A group similar to “Information” or “Planet Kubb” would be ideal.

      Also – LOVE this. Definitely taking some prints to EC this weekend. Part of me really wants to record every game I play, but I think I’ll have to settle for every game I watch. Gotta keep my focus!

      “It is bad when one thing becomes two.”

      • Jamie 11:02 pm on July 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        That is a great idea @chrishodges — I added a section for “Games” in the sidebar with links to various game related stuff. Thanks for the suggestion.

        Note that the form for entering the games and the templates that display the game output are really rough now. A lot could be done there to make it look really nice and show even more interesting data. This is just the start.

    • Jamie 10:57 pm on July 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I just gave the notations a significant polish and added a lot of examples to help people understand how to use the notation. It would be great if people could take a look.

      http://wiki.planetkubb.com/wiki/Notation

      The example and full game example I think help a lot. The big thing added here is more flexibility and the notation was previously missing drills and advantage line indicators. There also was no way to indicate an illegal king hit (lose the game) — thanks @jakefreeberg for that catch.

      I think this round is really, really solid. I also changed the output of the game form on the wiki to look more like the revised version. I really enjoyed the full game example. I can see how I would easily be able to reconstruct a game I never saw by looking at that.

    • Jamie 11:05 pm on July 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      A new, really close to done version of the printed scoresheet is also available now. Check it out.

      http://wiki.planetkubb.com/wiki/Scoresheet

      We are planning on having a bunch of these printed and bringing them to nationals this weekend.

      • Chris Hodges 12:20 am on July 11, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Wondering if it would be a good idea to have a box at the top of the page to list players 1-6 (or thru 8?) for each team. Could save a little time on the shorthand to just call somebody “P3” rather than “Scott S.”

        Another outlier situation to consider is the rescue – my opponent toppled 6 total kubbs, but with my first one I am rescuing a previously established field kubb I had left in play last turn. I take their Adv Line away (presumably), and am technically throwing 7 kubbs this round. Do you just update the Inkast box with the new number, or should there be an extra field to capture rescues?

        Also, I’d really like to see that Inkast box get a little more robust, counting kubbs to start with, kubbs rescued, kubbs OOB once (rethrows), and penalty kubbs.

  • Dobbie 11:40 pm on June 13, 2012 Permalink
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    USA Kubb Nationals Team Drawing on June 28 at 7pm CT 

    Spread the word. June 28th, 2012 at 7:00 pm CT USA Kubb Nationals will do the streaming live draw of teams in the groups. Plan is to meet here, watch the draw, and discuss the results! May even get a sneak peek at the bracketing!

     
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